Saturday, June 25, 2011

The Open Office / Office Libre "font embedding" saga.

I won.

After some 10 or more years of FIGHTING like cats and dogs with the people in Open Office and then Libre Office, - and having to deal with some of the dumbest fucks who did EVERYTHING they could to stop it from happening,

I made these fucking people, include FONT EMBEDDING in Libre Office.

For a lot of good reasons, and some of it has to do with calling them out on their bullshit and lying.

I won. I made it happen. 

The story goes on as follows.

 

The update with LibreOffice Version 4.0


The folks in Open Office - formerly Sun Microsystems - and now Oracle..



And the fork (split off) from the corporate bullshit trip to the committee based bullshit trip - Office Libre..


So for the case that follows, I shall simply use the term "Open Office", it's a generic term that covers both bases, or OO or LO if  need to be specific.

I reckon Open Office as a program is improving and it's Hmm interesting.

Although much is beyond me simply because of time and I have much to do, and so much to learn - some of these things ARE a bit of brainstrain... not that hard to learn but if you rarely use them, the details about how to use them, kind of get a bit fuzzy - like relational data bases etc.


Draw is BRILLIANT I use it to design and layout things all the time.....

Maps, CAD drawings, etc., etc., etc..

AND I really am so very grateful that Open Office is a happening alternative to Microsoft and their product lines. Mainly because Microsoft are just arseholes forcing redundancies into their software line, to keep people locked into their never ending upgrade treadmill and they do really stupid shit like cover 1/3 of the screen space with "The Ribbon" (a menu bar) and call that an innovation - with no way to switch it off or revert back to ones menu bar of preference. 

BUT - they - the companies, developers, contributors and the product line of OPEN OFFICE has a HUGE flaw - the "Open Office" program, as designed by the people who run the committees and develop the software - they do not EMBED the FONTS that you use, into the documents that you create.

We are not talking about the fonts that come with the program - we ARE talking about the FONTS that you choose to use from your own font sets....

Microsoft Office HAS font embedding.

Word Perfect HAS font embedding.

Adobe Acrobat HAS font embedding.

And they have had FONT  EMBEDDING for DECADES.

You see Microsoft handles it like this:

MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS WINDOWS 7 PROFESSIONAL
These license terms are an agreement between Microsoft Corporation 


3. ADDITIONAL LICENSING REQUIREMENTS AND/OR USE RIGHTS.

b. Font Components. 
While the software is running, you may use its fonts to display and print content. You may only

· embed fonts in content as permitted by the embedding restrictions in the fonts; and

· temporarily download them to a printer or other output device to print content.

So that is how MS deal with the issue.

I tried to find the Word Perfect licensing - but while the software USED to be the best in the world, but as a corporation, they developed an arse about approach to doing simple things, and they have slid off the radar into obscurity and not much can be found of anything anywhere - even about their own products. So here is the reference to the fact that you CAN embed your fonts into your word perfect documents - via another source.

WordPerfect 12 For Dummies

www.uop.edu.jo/e.../WordPerfect%2012/WordPerfect%201200127.pdf

"Fortunately, WordPerfect enables you to embed fonts in the document itself so that whatever machine opens up the document can view it using the fonts ..."



Adobe - who I hate because they are thieving cunts who are right into price gouging - charging ENORMOUS amounts more for their software (RIPPING PEOPLE OFF), for people OUTSIDE of the USA....

Well they too have FONT EMBEDDING into their PDF's - and without going into DEEP searches - they had it back on 2005 (and probably way earlier).


Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard

"Embedding fonts ensures that your PDF uses the same fonts as the original document, no matter where you open the PDF or what fonts are installed on that system."

But the DUMB FUCKS in Open Office don't - and when you EXPORT your works as PDF's - they don't embed the fonts using their CRIPPLED OPEN SORES PDF creator either.


The LACK of font embedding in Open Office has been an OUTSTANDING sore point since people have complained about it in 2002 - 2003 - and this bullshit from these Open Office committees, forums, supporters etc., etc., etc., has been going on for a long time:

Open Office Bugzilla!


 http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20370

Bug 20370 - Q-PCD MSInteroperability-33: embedd fonts into the document
Status: REOPENED
: gsl
code
: 1.0.0
: Other other
: P3 with 122 votes (vote)
: OOo Later
Assigned To:
:

Description From 2003-09-29 18:36:22
Customer Need/Problem
presentation have to be shown as they are designed on any target system out of
the box (without having to install a separate font package)

Product Concept
Embedd Type1 and TrueType fonts and fontsubset  in a subfolder of the document.
Allow user specify the level of embedding. The embedded font is only available
for the respective document.
 
And here are a heap of DUPLICATES of the same ISSUE, 
on the same web site!!!! 

Issue 9953 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue.
 
Issue 15611 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue.
 

Issue 31387 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. 

Issue 47234 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue.
 
Issue 47234 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue.
 

Issue 45106 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue.
 
Issue 45457 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue.
 
Issue 23732 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue.
 


The designers of Open Office, also stop you from modifying the program to embed the fonts that you want to use.

And I am ONE of the very FIRST people to raise the issue and rebuff all the bullshit and the people who subscribe to it, in the forums and the committees about this issue.

I really hate people of the mindset - like buying a new car - you pay your cash, it's delivered and you go out onto the street to start it up and drive away - and it doesn't work.... so you pop the hood and there is NO ENGINE.


So when you ask them why is there no engine in the car - they say,

"Oh this is the new green eco friendly model, with the lowest emissions of any car ever produced?"

And IF you say, "Well of course it's going to have ZERO emissions - it hasn't got a fucking engine - so how am I supposed to get from A to B if it doesn't have a fucking engine".

And the DUMB FUCK replies - "Well you can buy one as an optional extra"...

And that is what it is like in dealing with so many people - because they have this mindset that operates like this. The really profound levels of causal logic just escape them - it never registers.

And the people in Open Office, Ubuntu, Bugzilla, Launchpad, and all their fucking FORUMS - there are a WHOLE HEAP of this DUMB FUCK bullshit in these places - and the committees are filled with people who pedal this crap.

"Oh it's not a Ubuntu problem - it's an Open Office problem" (close thread) - 
"Oh it's not an Open Office Problem, it's a Ubuntu problem". (close thread)
And none of them, in any of the committees, forums, moderators - in either camp - deal with any of these issues - they just get into bullshitting and buck passing - or silencing you by closing the thread down or marking it as solved etc.

And this is how these dumb fuck moderators do it"


Bug 20370 - Q-PCD MSInteroperability-33: embedd fonts into the document 
Customer Need/Problem
presentation have to be shown as they are designed on any target system out of
the box (without having to install a separate font package)
 
Bug 31387 - Embedded font logo does not display properly

  Bug 47234 - embedding fonts

  Bug 45106 - Allow embedding of fonts in text document

  Bug 45457 - Make it possible to embed fonts when saving presentations

Bug 23732 - Embedding font info in exports 


This is is one of my my postings way back in 2009 - I am sure that there are some earlier ones - going back 4 or 5 years ago.

Bug 107456

Description From 2009-12-05 07:37:57

(premium fucking jerk moderator who shut some of my threads down)

This is how these DUMB FUCK moderators operate. 

------- Comment #23 From 2010-01-05 15:35:55 -------
Thanks for the valuable additional input on font embedding. It will be
considered if the original issue 20370 should find attention again. Please
accept that this issue is closed as duplicate and refrain from further
activities outside of our guidelines that are available at
http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/pre_submission.html

*** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 20370 ***
------- Comment #24 From 2010-01-05 15:37:47 -------
closing issue as duplicate.
   
- your a dumb fuck and an arsehole - I hope you get cancer and die.



While the folks in Open Office say this on their site - their bullshit is contrasted and highlighted with my counter points:

http://why.openoffice.org/

Enterprises from corner-shops to corporate giants are turning to OpenOffice.org 3 to power their businesses. The flexible word processor, powerful spreadsheet, dynamic graphics, database access and more meet all the requirements for an office software package.

A completely open development process means that anyone can report bugs, request new features, or enhance the software.

The result: OpenOffice.org 3 does everything you want your office software to do, the way you want it to.

It doesn't SAVE the work with the fonts that you want use. 

You can't  enhance the software to make it do this, and it doesn't do what you want it to... which is to embed the fonts that you want to use in your own documents.

http://why.openoffice.org/why_gov.html

Data is safe.

Freedom of Information Acts require that the documents you create today will be accessible years in the future.


The documents that you create WILL NOT BE accessable in years to come.

If the fonts are not embedded at the time of production, then they sure as shit are not going to be there when you do reopen them many years into the future.

 http://why.openoffice.org/why_sme.html

 The no-hassle answer For small businesses, IT is a hassle and an expense. OpenOffice.org 3 is simply the easiest and cheapest way of providing the essential software tools required to support a growing business.

Developed over twenty years, OpenOffice.org is a mature, stable, product, guaranteeing trouble-free usage. Behind the scenes, it stores all your valuable data in a format approved by the International Organization for Standardization - the first software package in the world to meet this exacting standard.

As more companies adopt the standard, exchanging data between office software will become as easy as saving and opening a file - a system integrator's dream. 

"Open Office" DOES NOT store ALL of your DATA... and

You CANNOT freely exchange, save and open the Open Office files, or export as a Microsoft Document or a PDF - because the FONTS, THAT YOU WANT TO USE IN THEM, which ARE the actual FORMATTING AND LAYOUT - are not embedded either.

And with 20 years of development - the DUMB FUCKS who rubber stamp it - don't have font embedding and they stop you from doing it yourself.

Meanwhile EVERY OTHER PROGRAM has font embedding - and while I don't know all the details of the ISO standard in regards to this, putting out software that is NOT of an archival standard or quality - because the font's cannot be embedded,  and is TOTALLY INCOMATIBLE with all other formats, in regards to IMPORTING and EXPORTING documents - because the font's cannot be saved in the imported document or exported into other document format
I think that the so called compliance with the ISO standard is fucking bullshit.

http://why.openoffice.org/why_oem.html

Open for business OpenOffice.org 3 prides itself on its compatibility with other office software, both in the way it works and in the files it uses.

So offering OpenOffice.org 3 doesn't close off options for your clients - in fact, it opens up new opportunities for them

The lack of FONT embedding closes off a LOT of options for your clients.

It's NOT compatible with other software, it cannot be exported as any other format - with the fonts included into those formats.

And it cannot import those documents AND embed the fonts into the Open Office documents, just like the native applications they took the documents from.

In fact not only will OPEN OFFICE close off a LOT of options, 
it will completely FUCK and RUIN your clients documents entirely.

And these clowns will land YOU into the shit because of it.

Well this "FREE TO ALL" "Open to ALL" "No HASSLES" Software write up is all PR spin and bullshit.



"Hello"
THERE IS NO FONT EMBEDDING 
IN OPEN OFFICE

And you the people who have sayso on the configuration of it - I don't give a shit what you want to do with your font sets, but you are also are stopping me from embedding my own fonts in my own documents and graphics.

I have been caught out by this issue, that is NOT advertised; although it's repeatedly implied that your fonts ARE embedded - when they are not.

And it's a HUGE fuck you for doing this. 

And it's a HUGE fuck you to both the Open Office and Office Libre committees for failing to do anything about it.


For a LONG TIME I have been pushing for EMBEDDED fonts in ones Open Office documents and drawings (etc.).

The OO crew refused to embed fonts from the start and after 20 years - 
they still refuse to do it.

And to crack a nut here -  While they - the 
Open Office crowds SAY this:

http://why.openoffice.org/ 

A completely open development process means that anyone can report bugs, request new features, or enhance the software.

It's been my experience that Open Office has fairly distinct levels of "tiers or control"; over 

a) what gets done; and
b) who gets to do it; and 
c) what is allowed or not allowed to be done

So we have the peasants fighting it out in the forums, then we have the "Mysterious Developers" and then we have the "Committees of Management".

So all this bullshit speak stating "anyone can" - "enhance the software".

It is complete fucking crap.

Because these organisations being what they are, who they are composed of and who gets what done - well it comes down to this:

"Open Office" - the people in the organisation who "puts out" the program, and determine it's content or function ranges do this:

1. They put out the program WITHOUT font embedding.

2. They refuse to put it in when you do ask.

3. They refuse to tell you how to "switch font embedding on" or "how to switch the restriction off", and

4. The moderators in the forums shut down ALL discussion of the subject.

(mostly because they are dumb fucking arseholes)

They - the MODERATORS in the forums - on their idiot power trips - you the person who wants and needs to have your own fonts embedded in your own documents and graphics - you - YES YOU -


You have no equal say so or ability to stop them from shutting down your thread in the forums;

So fuck the Open Office / Libre Office moderators and committees for that fucking bullshit trip - your a pack of shit heads, and your PR spin is bullshit.

and

The mysterious developers, out there somewhere - who you can never contact, or become one of; and

The committees of management - do not listen and they do not act.


This is why people are saying, "Fuck these restrictions and impediments to my productivity" and they get sick of being jerked off by stupid people who bullshit them, and they go back to using Microsoft Office.

So why is FONT EMBEDDING so important,
to EVERYONE concerned?

A document IS it's format - and the FONT is both the formatting of the document or artwork, it is THE LAYOUT, and it is the information that is being conveyed in this format - both artistically and contextually.

A document - be it text or graphics with text, is a CREATED work. It's substance is to convey information, meaning and utility.

The font types, sizes, margins, headers and footers, line spacing, letter and word spacing - are all combined - sometimes in a very sophisticated way - as a series of interrelated fixtures.

And the BASIS or structure of the document or graphic IS it's fonts, the type, size, spacing and location.

It's like this image - it's composed of words, letters, graphics, styles, sizes, location, colours,  language etc., etc., etc.. they ALL combine in a very specific way to "become the end result".

Take this Smiths Speedometer and change all of the fonts, into 12 point Arial.

And you have completely fucked it.

And assuming that I was making up some screen printing templates, and I do all my artwork in Open Office Draw, and I send that through to the screen printers - and they do not have THOSE specific fonts on their systems, then the Open Office Software, will default to 12 Point Arial (or whatever) and there goes the design.

It cannot be reproduced AS CREATED - because of the lack of FONT EMBEDDING as a native function of the software.



So this is a MAJOR FUCKING PROBLEM - with the whole Open Office Suite.

It goes on with Presentations, Documents, PDF's, Drawings, Imports, Exports etc... 

And I and almost all people who use this software - despite it's many praises, it means that the LACK OF this ONE primary function, actually renders the ENTIRE Open Office suite almost WORTHLESS on a personal level and on a business level.


AND I and many others have been saying this for FUCKING YEARS - you dumb cunts.

The LACK of FONT EMBEDDING means that when you work hard to make a specific "graphic" or DOCUMENT and when save does not mean SAVE the work as is, because the fonts that you have chosen to use in the work - do not embed - then all your work goes with it.

Do all of this in some exotic script and then save - and then find that the font has defaulted to 12 point Arial, the headers, the footers, the columns, the titles -

They are all GONE.

And if I were to RECREATE this document - and then send it somewhere that does not have these font sets, or if I were to archive it and then 6 months later, reopen it on a new computer - without these font sets in it - it all defaults back to a Arial 12 Point.  The lack of font embedding fucks the document.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-f4WLAA_ojxY/TXUruLRtvYI/AAAAAAAAAaY/F0XQFAPiYAk/s1600/066.png



So if you:

Transfer the document to another computer, from Home to Office, or
Home to School or vis versa, or
Email it to a friend, or
Ssend it to a printers etc., etc., etc.,

And the recipient computer and it's OS, DO NOT have the font set/s on it; or

You decide to leave the document alone or archive the file for a long time and then reopen it on a new and updated operating system on a new and or updated computer 5 or 10 years later - and the NEW PC or OS doesn't have the font sets on or in it; or

Some other act of discontinuity - between the actual document or artwork AND it's computer of origin with the specific font sets used in the document - then that document, it's layout and formatting all disappears.

This means your "authentic reproduction" of Shakespear's Hamlet - in the period font, with the font sizes, margins, footers and headers, page numbering, titles, the line and character spacing, indexes, footnotes, paragraphs, pages etc., all go.


From this:




To this:


ACT I.

Scene I. Elsinore. A platform before the Castle.

[Francisco at his post. Enter to him Bernardo.]

Ber.
Who's there?

Fran.
Nay, answer me: stand, and unfold yourself.

Ber.
Long live the king!


There are HUNDREDS of LANGUAGES and all up - there ARE hundreds of thousands of FONTS.... some almost ubiquitious and many are fly by gatherings, for that time, place and opportunity - and 5 years later, no one has them, they can't be found and the original source website has long since closed etc.

With the mystical trick of the Open Office // Libre Office producers - that of NOT telling you that your OWN CHOICE of fonts do not embed - AND - can not be embedded into the document,  when the document is separated from the computer with the source font/s in it - ALL of the fabulous fonts and carefully crafted layout - it completely disappears AND defaults to 12 point Arial.  (or whatever)


So the document, when produced - it goes from this:



To This:

        ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And if your NOT aware of that trap of "SAVE" does not actually mean SAVE - that you must undertake the process of manually BREAKING THE LINKS, on the graphics before you "SAVE" and close the document / drawing etc, then your GRAPHICS will not be saved in the document or drawing either.



So now your epic 1000 page book, that you carefully saved and backed up etc.,  is not actually SAVED - it's saved with plain text and only links to the graphics.

7 years and TWO computer systems later, or a move to another house with another computer system etc., and the source fonts cannot be found anywhere, and it's defaulted to the standard font -  so now it's down to 700 pages and it's ALL fucked up.....

ALL of your hard work with the fonts, the formatting and the layout etc.,

It's ALL gone.

And if you were not aware of the need to BREAK THE LINKS to all of the source graphics, then all of your graphics have gone too.

Yay! 6 years of hard work and thanks to these people in the Open Office cliques and the Grand bullshit trip of not embedding the fonts, and not being able to embed the fonts, and being actively stopped from modifying the program from embedding the fonts - 

Your now the proud owner of a plain text file

BINGO - the people of Open Office - have trashed your work without telling you about the fact that SAVE does not actually mean "SAVE" - it means "SIMILAR to save or APPROXIMATELY saved" - but it does not actually mean SAVED as is.

They also fail to tell you that the LACK of font embedding is enforced by having this as a default, and by their refusing to allow you to do it as a selectable option, they FORCE you to lose all your work.

And to add more fuel to the fire...

The original head trip for Open Office was to circumvent what the FUCK HOLES in Microsoft do with their software - i.e. MS Word (etc.)., and how their business strategy of forcing upgrades by crippling last years software impacts upon what you have created 5, 10, 15 or 20 years ago.

This includes PROPRIETARY word processing software, it means that you can only open and edit them with Microsoft Software.,

Microsoft is NOTORIOUS for the deliberately inbuilt lack of backward compatibility with documents made using earlier versions of Microsoft Word; which means that while YOU have paid Microsoft to work for you, they in fact entrap and lock you into their product line - and what you make with their software is not of an archival standard; and

With Microsoft's licensing fees, product lock in, etc., etc., etc - this adds HUGE costs to personal, office and governmental overheads.


And this is what a pack of cunts the Open Office people are, 
with their HALF TRUTH's on this subject:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/General/How_can_I_add_fonts_to_OpenOffice%3F

How can I add fonts to OpenOffice?




How can I add fonts to OpenOffice?

OpenOffice.org uses the fonts that are installed in your system. Add new fonts using the Font management tools for your Operating System (for example in Microsoft Windows, you add new fonts via Control Panel > Fonts). You may need to restart OpenOffice.org (including the Quickstarter), to see the new fonts in the Font Name list box.

But what these arseholes DON'T say, is that your fonts DO NOT EMBED into the DOCUMENTS, that you create, using the Open Office Software...

It's called LYING BY OMISSION.

Store them, save them, transfer them - as soon as the link between the source files on THAT specific computer, and the document or graphic is broken - to move the documents from computer A with the font sets, to computer B without the font sets - there goes your "added fonts".


And this is fucking bullshit too:

http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.3/

Embedding of Standard PDF Fonts

In previous versions, the standard PDF standard fonts (Times, Helvetica, Courier, Symbol and ZapfDingbats) were only embedded into the resulting PDF when the resulting file was of the PDF/A type, since the PDF/A standards requires this. In version 3.3, you can optionally embed these fonts in all PDF documents created by OpenOffice.org to enhance display accuracy in PDF viewers.

BUT that is NOT ALL THE FONTS.


Now these people, and their committees, and their forums,  and their JUSTIFICATIONS - for NOT embedding the fonts into the documents, and to NOT let you do it either - means that despite the reasons they say that Open Office has backward compatibility and it's archival quality etc., etc., etc., and ALL governments, schools and people ought to be using it, and how it can be modified by anyone etc., etc., etc

Well the documents that you make, IF you use any of the 200,000 or so fonts that are not incorporated into Open Office, that you own or are freeware, or even the ones you create yourself etc., that are your own fonts to use as you wish, then those documents that you produce with those fonts, in the layout you produced;

They will not store, or carry through for your own self, or to other people and their systems, and if they are archived and pulled up 10 years later, on a different computer, then you won't get the original document back in the "as produced" layout;

  No - it will default to the standard 12 point font for that system that it's on. 

This means that THEY have caused YOU to LOSE YOUR WORK.



And here we have the UGA having a good write up on the subject of how the lack of font embedding fucks your life up - an extract of it:

http://www.grad.uga.edu/academics/thesis/thesis_fonts.html

Embedding Fonts
In order to ensure that the PDF version of your thesis or dissertation looks the same on all machines, you must make sure that your document carries its own copies of the fonts you have used. In technical terms, this is referred to as "embedding" your fonts.

The Problem

If you don't embed your fonts, it is possible that your document will look like gibberish or be missing essential characters when it is opened on a different machine. This usually happens with non-English characters; including Greek mathematical and statistical symbols (alpha, beta, sigma, mu); Asian, Arabic, Hebrew, etc. language fonts; and many WordPerfect fonts.
This has been a source of problems for students requesting bound copies from the Tate Print and Copy center.
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Example

Student Joe creates a PDF file on his machine using Greek mathematical symbols (without embedding the fonts). He submits his PDF file to the Graduate School, and the format checkers do not see any problems with it because they have the same fonts installed as he does. Here's how the file looks to him and the format checkers:

However, the print shop may not have the same fonts installed on their machine. Here's how the file looks to them, and how it prints out:


This has resulted in some people accusing the print shop of intentionally destroying their documents. Don't laugh, it's true.

Etc., etc., etc. (it's a good read)

And yet here are the people in Open Office - recommending that Open Office be used in schools by administrations and students and it fucks up and falls over the first hurdle there.

So that is one thing.

Then we get ALL the FREE FONTS from the web....






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www.actionfonts.com/


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www.fontspace.com/  

Then there are the free AND the bought and paid for fonts...

150,000 of them

Fonts.com: Download Mac and Windows Fonts

Download over 150000 fonts from Adobe, Linotype, Monotype, ITC and hundreds of other font providers.
fonts.com/



The people in Open Office and Office Libre - dictate that YOU cannot embed your own fonts in your own documents, that you either own or are freeware...


Because they say so.


And that ALL of the work that you do with your own fonts in your own documents, cannot be saved in the AS PRODUCED condition?

Not only do they STOP you from "REALLY" saving your document when you save it; they don't bother to tell you that THIS DOCUMENT WITH THESE FONTS in it, won't be saved either - so the next time you go to open it on any other system that does not have these fonts on it - it defaults back to 12 point Arial (or what ever), and you have no comeback on them?



As a result of this, I have had HUGE fights with the people in Open Office, Office Libre, Ubuntu and in the forums, Bugzillas etc., etc., etc.. about this issue - heaps of times......


And they do NOTHING. 

They do promote the "free fonts" for their own programs etc., which is no good when it comes to using your own fonts - which are the fonts that you actually want to use.


To all you people in Open Office and Office Libre that mandate and enforce the inability to embed your own fonts in your own documents, and the refusal to say anything explicitly about it......


A HUGE fuck you - for dropping people into the shit and causing them to lose all their work and your not saying anything about it.


And yet here are all the organisations that go along with the bullshit - using the ever ubiquitous; 

"We welcome the blah, blah, blah..."

They and their PR departments just talk out their arses at you.

"Oh wonderful, wonderful - Free the World"

"Open Sores Software - free from  Corporate Oppression, licensing and product lock in" (or Arseholes like Microsft)

"We applaude..."
"We congratulate..."
"We welcome..."


Fuck Off.

Because OPEN SORES software, is not free from corporate standover bullshit and it's not free from the fundamental elements of plain stupidity and the bullshit used to cover it up. 


The folks at Open Office say "anyone can change the software" when they fucking well cannot. And these people no only will they withhold the HOW TO embed the software, they will stop you from doing it.


And all these corporate types - go along with all the bullshit - being the difference between what the Open Office crowd spin and what the users can do with it.

(Scroll past this bit - because the infighting continues.)

4Linux "We welcome LibreOffice and The Document Foundation", says Rodolfo Gobbi, Director 4Linux, "4Linux is the Brazilian leader in open source training and consulting services, and our commitment to use, help to spread and support both ODF and Free Software is very aligned with The Document Foundation and we are very happy to help the success of LibreOffice."
AFUL
A statement from the French AFUL is available from their website.
 ALTA
"ALTA - Associação Libre de Tecnologias Abertas was created to become a excellence center to support and develop initiatives in the Brazilian opensource communities. ALTA was founded by three TDF Members and is fully committed to the same vision as The Document Foundation. We look forward a full and intense cooperation with TDF", says Olivier Hallot, founder of ALTA and Executive Director.
April
A statement from April is available from their website.
BSRSoft LTDA
"Both the creation of the foundation, as the birth of LibreOffice, is great news for the market of free software. Companies like BSRSoft, providing services and products based entirely on free software, see the project as the best way to achieve productivity solutions free a new technical level, and increase the security of continuity", says André Luis Pereira dos Santos, CEO of BSRSoft LTDA
Canonical
Mark Shuttleworth, founder and major shareholder of Canonical, the makers of Ubuntu, has declared: "Office productivity software is a critical component of the free software desktop, and the Ubuntu Project will be pleased to ship LibreOffice from The Document Foundation in future releases of Ubuntu. The Document Foundation's stewardship of LibreOffice provides Ubuntu developers an effective forum for collaboration around the code that makes Ubuntu an effective solution for the desktop in office environments".
Codethink
"We are delighted to see LibreOffice gaining new momentum" says Rob Taylor, Codethink's Founder and CTO, "As a company that helps customers to leverage the open source developement model, we think that a truly open community will generate a great ecosystem around the project, of which we hope to be part. Codethink is pleased to be able to provide its development services around LibreOffice."
Collabora
"The LibreOffice project is great news for the open source community, both on the desktop and further afield" said Robert McQueen, Director at Collabora. "We have always believed that the open source projects with true open governance and diverse participation are the most vibrant and valuable to the community, allowing them to be supported by a range of different business models."
credativ
credativ is an independent consulting and services company specialising in the development, implementation and support of open source solutions. As a long term contributor to the project and Free Software, credativ welcomes the foundation as an opportunity to provide a new focus for the community contributors and allow them to move the project forward together, UK managing director Chris Halls said "We've seen a foundation and community oriented model benefit other projects that we contribute to. In our business we support thousands of office desktops in many different environments. It is vital that the feedback and code that we can contribute as part of our day to day work can flow easily into the project".
DeviceVM
"We applaud this move to create the Document Foundation to ensure that successful open source projects continue to thrive with active community involvement. We recognize the importance of delivering a competitive productivity suite for the ultimate advancement and adoption of Linux, and wish the newly formed Foundation continued success", says Mark Lee, CEO & President DeviceVM, Inc.
eOffice Network
Tom Gordon, founder and CEO of eOffice® Network, the Original Online Office Network(TM), says: "In the open-source world of Office Productivity, freedom hails from three absolutely essential camps: Operating Systems, Office Suites, and now Online Office Networks. The Document Foundation has stepped forward as THE ring bearer of freedom for the Office Suite group – what a courageous move! Our support for their success plays an important role in our own nascent effort to unify these three camps under one Constitutional Flag with something we call the eOffice® Group, a Constitutional Community Enterprise. Rock On Guys! . . . rock on.".
French community
Speaking for the group of volunteers, Sophie Gautier - a veteran of the community and the former maintainer of the French speaking language project - has declared: "We believe that the Foundation is a key step for the evolution of the free office suite, as it liberates the development of the code and the evolution of the project from the constraints represented by the commercial interests of a single company. Free software advocates around the world have the extraordinary opportunity of joining the group of founding members today, to write a completely new chapter in the history of FLOSS".
FSF
FSF President Richard Stallman welcomed LibreOffice release and it's stated policy of only recommending free software. "I'm very pleased that the Document Foundation will not recommend nonfree add-ons, since they are the main freedom problem of the current OpenOffice.org. I hope that the LibreOffice developers and the Oracle-employed developers of OpenOffice.org will be able to cooperate on development of the body of the code".
FSF HU
"As we have been devoted supporters of free software for a long time, we are proud that we can continue our work, which we started 8 years ago with OpenOffice.org, in a more open fashion with LibreOffice. We keep on supporting the free office software with localization, bugfixes, and innovative development in order to contribute to its success in Hungary and worldwide."
Erdei Csaba
 
The GNOME Foundation "We welcome the LibreOffice project to the free software community as we believe there is a great opportunity for them to enrich the free desktop experience." says Stormy Peters, Executive Director of the GNOME Foundation. "Over the years the GNOME community has been supportive of OpenOffice.org together with applications in the GNOME Office suite, such as Gnumeric, GnuCash and Abiword. As LibreOffice joins the free software community, we believe that free desktop users will benefit from a rich set of choices."
Google
Chris DiBona, Open Source Programs Manager at Google, Inc., has commented: "The creation of The Document Foundation is a great step forward in encouraging further development of open source office suites. Having a level playing field for all contributors is fundamental in creating a broad and active community around an open source software project. Google is proud to be a supporter of The Document Foundation and participate in the project".
Gabriel Gurley
"I am proud to support the founding of The Document Foundation and its development of LibreOffice for office productivity users. I recommend teachers, students, parents and school administators to evaluate LibreOffice as an instructional resource for successful learning." said Gabriel Gurley, Educator and Author, gabrielgurley.com.
GreekLUG
The "Association of Greek Users & Friends of FLOSS" (GreekLUG) is a Greek NGO/ non-profit organization, actively promoting and providing support both to Free Software and to Open Standards. We are delighted to express our full support to The Document Foundation and to the development of LibreOffice, a project that perfectly embodies all the principles of the Free Software Community. It delivers a great Office suite, genuinely vendor-independent and relying with self confidence on the collaborative effort of all human resources in the Community. We feel it represents the best possible guarantee of long-term success of the project. As we share the same principles, our Association strongly applauds this move. We are, therefore, very happy to declare our commitment to use, help to spread and support LibreOffice. We are looking forward to cooperating and helping out in all possible ways.
Grupo Informáticode Ecuador-Sudaméricao 
La llegada de LibreOffice marca un hito en el desarrollo de la humanidad en lo referente al uso de tecnologías y su libertad intrínseca. Nos sentimos alentados con la presencia de "The Document Foundation" y su grupo de técnicos, visionarios e innovadores que nos han puesto a transitar por terrenos sólidos, con la esperanza de un futuro brillante. Salud por ello!

The arrival of LibreOffice marks a milestone in the development of humanity in relation to the use of technology and its intrinsic freedom. We are encouraged by the presence of the Document Foundation and its group of technicians, visionaries and innovators who have enabled us a concrete transition with the hope of a bright future. Long life for it! (Grupo Informáticode Ecuador-Sudamérica)


IST planbar GmbH IST planbar GmbH is a subsidiary company of RE/init e.V., a German non-profit organization, and was established to promote development and implementation of open source software in education and welfare. "The Document Foundation is a great chance for more innovation and a really open community" said Lars Wohlfahrt, Director at IST planbar GmbH. "We believe that the most valuable open source projects are always based upon a true free spirit and manifold participation - so this is a huge step forward for open source software."
Lanedo
Lanedo is a successful European company with a history in Open Source and Free Software consultation since 2005. "We welcome the truly open development model around LibreOffice and are passionate about contributing to a project we use in our business on a daily basis" said Tim Janik, Managing Director at Lanedo GmbH. "Lanedo is happy to participate in building an open, vendor-independent ecosystem around LibreOffice and provides development resources and support services to everyone looking to improve their LibreOffice experience."

Liberix "Liberix is a Czech non-profit organization that provides active support for free and open source software. We use and promote free software tools – an office suite is the key part of a modern desktop. We welcome the new opportunity and are ready to collaborate with The Document Foundation. We believe in free and open technologies" said Vlastimil Ott, director at Liberix, o.p.s.
Linagora
"We were waiting for the Document Foundation since Sun made StarOffice free software." said Michel Loiseleur, Director of Run Services at Linagora, "Contributing to a vendor neutral foundation is clearly easier and better for an open source project. Linagora is proud to participate in the project through its Open Source Software Assurance."
lpOD
"The lpOD project hails the birth of the Document Foundation, and believes it is a symbol of digital freedom." said Luis Belmar-Letelier, leader of the lpOD Project and CEO of Itaapy, "The lpOD project looks forward to the success of The Document Foundation and is interested in contributing to the foundation's projects."
Mageia
"After the announcement of LibreOffice, Mageia decided to give full official support to this new project. There are obvious similarities between the histories of Mageia and LibreOffice. Because both projects futures were unclear, teams decided – in both projects respectively – to create a fork that respects the FOSS (Free Open Source Software) principles and sets a more predictable governance model that relies on its community. We believe LibreOffice will be a great success for developers and users alike and that it will provide full and efficient document-processing applications based on open standards. We look forward to packaging, and contributing to the LibreOffice project and we will provide it in the upcoming Mageia releases. 
NeoOffice
Patrick Luby, Chief Engineer of NeoOffice says "I am happy to see a new, independent LibreOffice foundation to continue creating an office suite with enhanced features, pushing OpenOffice.org in new, exciting directions".
Ed Peterlin, Chief Visionary at NeoOffice says "I am excited we will be able to continue bringing excellent features from LibreOffice to the Mac platform. In the future I also hope to extend our web based collaboration tools to support LibreOffice users on all platforms".

New America Foundation The Open Technology Initiative is a project of New America Foundation which formulates policy and regulatory reforms to support open architectures, technologies and communication. "Open tools and standards are essential for facilitating communication and collaboration throughout the global society," says Josh King, Technologist at OTI. "It's exciting to see one of the most widely respected open platforms in the world gain a strong new voice and direction."

Novell "Viva la LibreOffice", said Guy Lunardi, product management Director at Novell. "We look forward to working with the Document Foundation to help develop a solid open source document software offering. Ultimately, we envision LibreOffice doing for the office productivity market what Mozilla Firefox has done for browsers".

Working with OASIS "The Document Foundation supports the Open Document Format, and is keen to work at OASIS to the next evolution of the ISO standard", says Charles Schulz, member of the Community Council and lead of the Native Language Confederation. "The Document Foundation brings to the table the point of view of developers, supporters and users, and this might accelerate the adoption process of ODF at government and enterprise level".

OpenDocument Fellowship "The Document Foundation is an exciting step towards a large, active and diverse community developing the OpenOffice.org codebase. This means nothing but good things for the broader ODF ecosystem" said Ryan Singer, Co-founder, OpenDocument Fellowship

Open Framework Systems as "We believe this is a step in the right direction and a cooperation with The Document Foundation will make it easier to create more innovative and userfriendly soloutions We have developed a secure real time Collaboration solution for OpenOffice and MS Office and a centralized administration module for OpenOffice. We believe that it will be easier to develop these products further when we have fewer rights barriers and a more open access to the code and standards."
Karl Morten Ramberg
Freies Office Deutschland e.V.
The Freies Office Deutschland e.V. has been a supporter of The Document Foundation from the very beginning, acting as interim legal entity.


OOoES
"After 10 years of work in the OpenOffice.org, this is the natural evolution of the community. Having the legal means of a foundation to guarantee today and in the future the freedom of the application. This anniversary is really to be cheerful and from OOoES, we are convinced of this." said Roman Gelbort, OOoES founding member


"I congratulate the efforts to finally go ahead with the plans of an independent foundation and I think that with the 10 year anniversary a new era in OpenOffice.org to grow and become even more free and open to a mature community that has achieve the wide spread recognition of its product. I applaud the efforts of such and want to provide the resources and support from OOoES." said Alexandro Colorado, OOoES president

OOo Turkey/ LKD "After passing the ownership of Sun Microsystems to Oracle, the future of OpenOffice.org project have become unclear for Turkish Free Software communities and supporters. We are very pleased to hear the establishment of the Document Foundation towards an active community with a well established organization listening to requirements of end users. We also support the new project, LibreOffice, comprising of invaluable voluntary efforts of free developers which meets requirements of companies and end users for more than 10 years. We believe that this big step is a chance to develop new opportunities for developing a truly independent office solution. Sharing the similar values and objectives, we warmly welcome this initiative as we look forward to being an active supporter of The Document Foundation community."
Volkan Evrin, General Secretary LKD & Gorkem Cetin, coordinator of OOo Turkey community
 
OPS Consulting "The creation of The Document Foundation is a great achievement and the next logical step for driving the development of the LibreOffice Suite. We at OPS Consulting, a provider of support, consulting and training services for the Suite, are very happy to support the new Foundation, in the hope to contribute to its success", says Ramon Sole, CEO of OPS Consulting
Open Source Business Foundation
"The Open Source Business Foundation welcomes the foundation of the LibreOffice project because it will help to develop one of the most prominent open source flagships further. We are confident that the Document Foundation will prove with LibreOffice that open source software can surpass closed source software because of a superior development process" says Richard Seibt, CEO of Open Source Business Foundation e.V.
Open Source Consortium
The Open Source Consortium (OSC) is the UK trade association that represents companies that deliver solutions and advice based on Open Standards and Free & Open Source Software. We campaign ceaselessly for the use of Open Standards in all aspects of public and commercial life and promote the unique advantages of Free & Open Source Software. Gerry Gavigan, OSC chair, declared that a Foundation free from single vendor control mirrors the multi-vendor support for ODF and provides a even stronger case for adoption of both thoughout the public sector.
Open Source Initiative
"The Open Source Initiative has observed a trend back towards open collaborative communities for open source software," said Simon Phipps, a Director of the Open Source Initiative. "We welcome this new initiative and look forward to the innovation it is able to drive with a truly open community gathered around a free software commons, in the spirit of the best of open source software."
The Learning Machine
The Learning Machine is an awarding organisation accredited by the UK government that supports learning about and with Open Systems and Free Software. Chief Assessor Ian Lynch who was instrumental in setting up the Open Document Fellowship to provide early independent support for ISO 26300 said: "We are committed to social and digital inclusion and we will do all we can to help make The Document Foundation successful."



The Norwegian foundation


The Norwegian foundation "Åpne kontorprogram på norsk" ("Open Office Suites In Norwegian") is responsible for the Norwegian translation of OpenOffice.org, and for promoting OpenOffice.org in Norway. So far the Norwegian project has been administered and financed mainly by counties and municipalities, but recently the foundation has started a process for getting commercial companies more actively involved. We realise the need for a more substantial commercial participation to establish a long-term sustainable project.

Our foundation notes that the other Nordic countries, a majority of the European countries, as well as a range of worldwide big companies like Google, Novell, Canonical and Red Hat are now cooperating with The Document Foundation. We believe this is the right way forward also for Norway.
A cooperation with The Document Foundation will make it easier to create more innovative and user-friendly solutions integrated with the LibreOffice suite. Eliminating license barriers and obtaining easy access to source code and standards will facilitate further development of related and integrated surrounding products.
RedFlag2000
"We'd love to see that TDF is getting stronger and are proud that we will be part of it" said Youbing Jin, President, RedFlag2000 Software Co,.Ltd "RedFlag2000 is making its efforts to the open community and will continue to contribute to the much more energetic, pragmatic community. We believe these people have the same spirit: to make things happen."
Red Hat
"All over the world, users, companies and governments are moving to innovative technology solutions based on Open Standards. Red Hat is proud to join this effort".

Univention "The formation of a vendor-independent community organisation is a major step for safeguarding the long term success of an open source project. We are very excited that this step was now successfully completed for one of the most important open source projects by founding the Document Foundation and by making LibreOffice available." Univention sees LibreOffice as one of the major future parts of its open source desktop solutions and is happy to support The Document Foundation where possible", says Peter H. Ganten, Founder and Director of Univention



And the BIG arselick goes on... BUT since I am one of the very first few to raise this issue, time and time and time again - me and two or so other posters in the Open Office forums (in the earlier days) - I have not resolved this to MY satisfaction.


LEAVING OUT font embedding AND stopping people from FONT EMBEDDING is as dumb a fucking move as selling cars with engines as optional extras - and not saying anything about it till they blunder into the "hidden" part of the deal..


What part of FUCKING STUPID do you people not understand?

So if you are pissed off at all the people who do this bullshit and want to lay the issue on the line - of either removing the restriction of NO font embedding or to kick them out of the job, you can contact them here:

LibreOffice Hackfest 2011 in Munich

From September 2nd to September 4th, the first LibreOffice Hackfest will take place in the City of Munich, Bavaria, Germany. This event is kindly supported by the LiMux migration project of the Bavarian capital city. 

These are the people:


floeff@documentfoundation.org,  (This person is all right actually)
olivier.hallot@documentfoundation.org,  
charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org,  
italo.vignoli@documentfoundation.org, (this guy is a fucking tool - talks shit and does nothing - I hate him and he knows it)
mail@rones.de,  
bohmer@gmail.com,  
LibreOffice@uhaas.de,  
damokles4-listen@bits-fritz.de, 
christoph@dogmatux.com, 
markus.mohrhard@googlemail.com, 
vmiklos@frugalware.org,  
bubli@bubli.org,
tabe@fixedpoint.jp, 
cedric.bosdonnat.ooo@free.fr,  
wope@pechlaner.at,  
timar74@gmail.com,  
rb.henschel@t-online.de,  
thb@documentfoundation.org,
bjoern.michaelsen@gmail.com, 
libreoffice@lists.launchpad.net

Agenda

As the Hackfest is some sort of unconference, there is no fixed agenda with items to be worked on.

Ideas

  • Providing on-site UX advice before/during/after the hacks :-)
  • Any need for: Short talk about UX and usability? Who are the users we hack(fest) for?
  • I (=Regina) do not have any ready presentation, but I suggest to do some work together that weekend. I can imagine the following subjects. Do you have interest in any of them?

  1. Tools > Options is a muddle of user settings and document settings, and settings which are likely corporate specific. We can sort this out and bring a proposal to the Wiki for further discussions of a better way for settings.
  2. Draw has a powerful 3D engine, but the dialog for 3D-properties is ancient and confusing. We need a totally new one. In addition a live preview should be implemented. We can discuss this and write a proposal of needed dialogs and features.
  3. Rendering of 3D-charts is so slow, that you can not use them for larger data series. We can try to figure out the reasons.
  4. Lots of people complain about the mail merge wizard. We try to sort out the user requests and bring a proposal for a better wizard to the community.
  5. There are lot of problems for novice and casual developers. We gather those problems and provide solutions and instructions for beginners. For example I personally are interested in how to make Git like patches when using tarballs and how to use MSVC for debugging.

  • better handling of formula error messages in calc

  1. get rid of messages like Err:502 for illegal argument
  2. provide some feedback what is wrong like a pop-up or a icon similar to the notes icon

  • some tips for "beginners" about build system e.g.
    • how to do fast builds,
    • packaging options (so that other people can test my builds)
  • I'd like to discuss some problems around numbering / outline indents in writer (see [https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32781 fdo #32781). I'm going to do some worke on that, but the mentioned defaultnumberingproder does not seem to be the right place.

  • Extension interface (Christian Dywan)
    • Proper error reporting for erroneous OXT/ extension folder (missing files, missing keys, more specific and understandable errors)
    • Print errors and stack traces of failing extensions
    • Make Python UNO exceptions visible
  • Using Jenkins and Gerrit in the Libreoffice project

Concrete Hacks

Multiple instances of soffice.exe


Switch "-nolockcheck" affects lock-files of documents


Consolidate diverging mail merge mechanisms with different timings

Non-linear execution time in mail merge


External web reference to Calc sheet no longer works


Pressing return at the end of a bookmark extends the bookmark


Calling setString twice on bookmark's text range deletes adjacent bookmark


Several issues with InsertDocumentFromUrl


Making the styles navigator look better


Implement an Unhosted store backend


Header / Footers edition improvements


 So while this team carries on with 
"Agendaless some sort of UN-conferences", 
- the entire world is of Open Office Users is saying - 

"No Font Embedding - What are you people? Fucking stupid?"

"WE NEED THIS TO BE FIXED
(for the MILLIONTH TIME - for fucks sake).

And the ORIGINAL "Open Office" now in the hands of Oracle - when "font embedding" is searched for ON THEIR SITE - this is what comes up:



About 1100 results.

Bug 16410


Comment #9 From  2003-07-07
  
Anyone able to reproduce this on Linux-machines? 

Can one fix this by letting OOorg generally embed all fonts? 

BEnjamin
 
 
Microsoft Office HAS font embedding.

Word Perfect HAS font embedding.

ADOBE Acrobat HAS font Embedding

And they ALL have had FONT  EMBEDDING for DECADES.

And what do you idiots do? You sit around having "Adgendaless UN-conferences"

Doesn't any of the following even fucking register?

font embedding open office

About 1,170,000 results
  1. [Issue] Embedded Fonts (View topic) • OpenOffice.org Community Forum


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  2. Font Trouble Shooting Guide - OpenOffice.org


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  4. Bug 107456 – There is "NO" Font Embedding - OpenOffice.org


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    Results 1 - 100 – OpenOffice breaks not any law, giving ability to save a ...
  5. OpenOffice.org 3.3 New Features


    www.openoffice.org › projectswwwWebsiteCached
    Jump to Embedding of Standard PDF Fonts‎: In version 3.3, you can optionally embed these fonts in all PDF documents created by OpenOffice.org ...
  6. Bug 87968 – font embedding control for PDF export - OpenOffice.org


    openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=87968Cached
    Comment #4 From pl@openoffice.org 2010-03-24 10:07:18 ------- added a checkbox to the PDF export dialog allowing to embed or not the 14 standard fonts ...
  7. OpenOffice.org Forum :: embedding fonts in MS Word exported documents


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    MS Word itself has such options under Tools, Options, Save, Embed Truetype Fonts. But there's no such option I can find in the OpenOffice ...
    How to add fonts‎ - 7 posts - 8 Jul 2007
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    Embedding fonts in pdf export: Solved‎ - 15 posts - 13 Mar 2007
    How to embed/save fonts into OO Impress ...‎ - 5 posts - 11 Apr 2005


    And there are thousands more....

     
    Now I have had fights with ALL off the Office Libre Comittee people personally....

    Italo Vignoli - I think you ought to resign, just for trying to bullshit your way out of dealing with this issue.

    And in the wonderful Paris conference - after 20 or so years of STILL NOT HAVING FONT EMBEDDING - the dumb fucks still don't have it on the adgenda.

    LibreOffice Conference
    Paris, France
    12th-15th October, 2011


    And the update to all of this, that Version 4.0 has just been released and there is still NO font embedding.

    This is how this fucking bullshit trip of ineptness is continuing - going on for 20 years plus.....

    Follow the content for the direction the Open Document Foundation and LibreOffice and that fizzling out failure caused by the idiots in Oracle, Open Office, are now taking the issue in general.

    No font embedding means that any document taken OFF the actual machine it's produced upon, immediately fucks up badly BIG TIME......

    And like people who run oil refineries, and don't put in fire extinguishers, the useless fucks don't "get it".


    http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/648/is-it-possible-to-embed-fonts-in-a/


    Is it possible to embed fonts in a Writer/Impress/Calc document ?

    asked Feb 29 '12
    MagicFab gravatar image MagicFab flag of Canada
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    http://wiki.documentfound...
    I use mostly Gnu/Linux LibreOffice versions but I often send documents to Windows and Mac users. Most of my documents use the Liberation fonts by default which are not installed on Windows or Mac systems.
    Is there a way to embed them in my Writer/Impress/Calc documents ?

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    answered Feb 29 '12
    Pedro gravatar image Pedro flag of Portugal
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    No. The ODF file specification does not support font embedding. And LibreOffice does not embed fonts in file formats that do support font embedding (such as MS formats)
    Maybe in the future this will be added to ODF...
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    Thank you!
    MagicFab (Feb 29 '12)edit
    There's 'Bug 42195 - Support for embedded fonts is missing' → fdo#42195
    manj_k (Apr 18 '12)edit

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    answered Apr 19 '12
    dag gravatar image dag
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    http://dag.wieers.com/blo...
    The ODF 1.0 specification (PDF) does support font embedding, however neither LibreOffice nor OpenOffice have it implemented at this time. There are only two ODF implementations that support font embedding to some regard, which are Calligra and WebODF.
    For LibreOffice there is a ticket fdo#42195, but there is also an OpenOffice ticket going way back to 2003 ooo#20370.
    Embedded fonts have come up at various ODF Plugfest meetings, but general support is still lacking at this time. Let's hope this improves soon...
    The implementation can embed fonts by either adding it to the packaged (zipped) ODF file in a Fonts/ directory and referencing that file using <svg:font-face-uri>, or by base64-encoding the file (in case of a Flat ODF file).
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    I think you are wrong. Font embedding is still under study for version 1.3 by Oasis http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/OFFICE-228
    Pedro (Apr 20 '12)edit
    @Pedro Interoperability was discussed during the recent ODF Plugfest in Brussels (with Rob Weir attending). Examples using it at http://plugtest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=scenarios:20120419:fontembedding See svg:font-face-uri in the ODF v1.0 standard, as implemented by Calligra and WebODF.
    dag (May 22 '12)edit
    @dag, either Rob Weir and Dennis Hamilton are wrong or you are... According to them Font embedding wasn't available in revision 1.2 of the ODF standard. It is under consideration for the 1.3 revision. See links in next comment
    Pedro (May 22 '12)edit
    @Pedro: Again Calibra and WebODF already have it implemented _and_ you can download the test files from the ODF Plugfest, explain that to me? During the meeting Rob did not mention anything about it not being supported. Maybe the ODF v1.3 is beter standardized (e.g. location) or enhanced ? Ask Rob !
    dag (May 22 '12)edit
    @dag: I just asked him (thank you for replying, Rob). The answer is "No one ever designed font embedding in ODF 1.0-ODF 1.2. The ODF spec does not talk at all about 'font embedding". I can see that the sample documents include the font within the ODF file but that is not implementing.
    Pedro (May 25 '12)edit
    @Pedro: I don't know what you mean with "designed". The functionality is there (svg:font-face-uri), it can already be used and is already implemented by some producers/consumers. It was discussed at the ODF Plugfest for interoperability, but LibreO does not. You seem to circle around terminology.
    dag (Sep 1 '12)edit

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    Wroger gravatar image Wroger
    1 1 1 1
    While I really DO like Libreoffice.. the lack of font embedding cuts it out of being able to transfer all my work out of dead and dying formats or the use of proprietary software from companies who I regards as scumbags.
    Any product I create via Libre Office be it document, artwork, engineering drawings or presentations etc., done in LO with your own font sets, cannot be transferred via dual booting between Linux or Windows, or it cannot be transferred to a different machine - from home to work or vis versa, and one cannot transfer the work to an independent third party such as peer review, or be sent to the printers, and the product cannot be archived and reopened on a different computer - because ANY work done ON a specific computer with ones own specific font sets, will be completely lost - because the original fonts, on the original machine, are not embedded in the documents produced on that machine.
    QED - it's an Epic Failure.
    With Open Office and the blooming fork, Libre Office, people have been raising these issues for 20 years, and for 20 years the committees, forum administrators, bugzilla forums, have ALL ignored and shut down any discussion or progress towards making font embedding the defacto or default setting.
    While Microsoft, Word Perfect, Adobe and even really obscure office programs such as Abi office, etc., etc., etc. - they ALL have font embedding.
    So the Open Office and Libre Office products and the committees that all drive these programs - have an epic failure on their hands and they are doing NOTHING to address it.
    Have a read up on this topic via the article....
    http://fuckubuntu.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/open-office-office-libre-font-embedding.html
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    It is not a LibreOffice/TDF's goal to provide a free office suit that perpetuates Microsoft's closed and proprietary file formats. So any change on font embedding has to occur on the ODF file format. ODF 1.2 still doesn't support font embedding but it is being considered http://tinyurl.com/6vp2w5d
    Pedro (Mar 15 '12)edit
    I am not a licensing expert, but embedding proprietary fonts into document probably raises licensing issues.
    I also think this embedding is very important, but on the other hand it should not be implemented into ODF something that is not standards supported. Don't want to have multiple products each supporting its own version of ODF - you know just like a HTML history big mess.
    L-user (Apr 21 '12)edit
    I am not a licensing expert, but embedding proprietary fonts into document probably raises licensing issues.
    L-user (Apr 21 '12)edit
    I am not a licensing expert, but embedding proprietary fonts into document probably raises licensing issues.
    L-user (Apr 21 '12)edit

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    I am planning to work on a fork of LO / OO and implement font embedding. But before I do that, I want to know if it's going to be worth it. So please answer the following questions: 1. As a consumer, will you switch to my new fork and start using my version just because it has font embedding? 2. As a developer, will you switch to my new fork and start contributing to this new fork instead, just because it has font embedding?
    If I get 1,000 positive replies, I will start the fork.
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    I think it would be much more productive if you added your effort to one of the existing suites. As a user, font embedding is reason enough to make me switch, but I think it is not a reason to start a fork and divide even more the developer effort.
    Pedro (Oct 30 '12)edit
    There is no need to fork a whole product to add tiny functionality. Why not build a plug-in instead? When a LOT of users will have this plug-in, support will be added into main product...
    froz (Jan 22 '13)edit

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    So guys....why not think about this the other way around. Upon install, LO x.y installs a known stable family of fonts on the system (LO_arial, LO_timesroman, etc). Add something to tools that sets priorities between platform fonts and LO installed fonts (try platform first then try LO fonts or vice versa or one/other ONLY).
    On opening a doc, create or use some variables for fonts to be used. If older doc, create and save (aka like user credentials - name address etc). New or reopened doc, use those variables. If fonts not found, kick up msgbox to user about how to proceed. Somebody adds some cool text to document using font Z, update table in the font variables to include (since presumably this would default to one of the LO installed fonts, so still universal).
    At least that would be consistent across all LO installs at X.Y or later. If document foundation guys spend too much time studying the need for this, LO reach out to OO etc and see if all can agree on approach. MS can choose to join the party or not.
    I realize I may be overly simplifying this....but does get around having to all the actual fonts with the document.
    Visio has done something similar for 10 years....though their approach has a limitation surrounding it in that its based on the relative offset of the font in the library from #1 (i.e On system A, #33 might be font X....on system B, #33 might be font Y). All I am suggesting is that instead of relative index, use actual font name.

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  1. Yeah, I need this feature too.

    I wish it would be added someday...

    And don't forget to notice me!

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